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In which we discuss:
1) how Peter DeLuise learned his scifi politics playing a genetically-engineered janitor on Seaquest. (Peter DeLuise directed, produced, and wrote various bits of Stargate SG-1 and SGA between 1999 and the end of season ten of SG-1.)
2) why some situations call for a B-Movie version of Lee Edelman.
3) the disconcerting correlations between characters who don't use contractions.

This is cleaned-up IM-discussion, meaning that it's full of playing with these topics rather than really fleshing them out.



[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: OH SEAQUEST! You are like Star Trek: Underwater.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: seaquest is AWESOME. and has more DeLuise brothers than I thought it did.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: We discovered that!
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: I remembered people like Seth Green.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: And totally forgot all the DeLuises. Because let's face it: I was in it for Jonathan Brandis as Lucas.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: I wrote drawerfic when I was twelve in which he was KIDNAPPED a lot.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: And Darwin had to SAVE him.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: oh man
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: Lucas/Darwin OTP

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: EXACTLY.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Oh, Lucas/Darwin! They would be kidnapped! Underwater. Naturally. Otherwise Darwin couldn't save him.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: (Also, Dagwood kinda makes me sad. Except then I remember he is played by a DeLuise, and then I feel dirty inside.)

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: right. the situation would unfold in such a way that everyone could use their unique skills to contribute to the solution.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Precisely. Unique underwater swimming skills.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: (Oh my god, [livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings, I refuse to sympathize with a DeLuise. Any DeLuise. Especially Peter.)

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: seriously. as if I've listened to audio commentaries of stargate atlantis episodes by the guy who used to be DAGWOOD.
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: my life sucks.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: So does every fan's!

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: and, kind of everyone everywhere, even though they don't know it.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: I mean, how can our life include listening to Dagwood telling us how syphilis is funny?
[Note: [livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings and I use Xander's "why do I always have to get the funny case of syphilis?" to shorthand "and then Rodney is put in a 'humorous' situation in which he is humiliated and punished in some way." Fannish crossovers make everything better!]

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: oh GOD.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: I KNOW.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: It is a sign of ... apocalypse or something.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: or something.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: He played a super-strong idiot genetically engineered man on a scifi show that had crap ratings and reinvented itself every season.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: And now he plots our television show.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: AND WE WONDER WHY IT'S PROBLEMATIC.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: As you point out, this is exactly the answer to this question!
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: He had camouflage skin!
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: and no contractions!

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: wow, it's all making sense now
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: coming together like a beautiful crystal-clear racist picture

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: How well put!

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: dude
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: you should post this to your lj
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: it is hilarious

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: In fact, his "race" of people?
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Was all evil and had to be locked up.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: right
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: but they were originally engineered to be slaves, weren't they?

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: They were INHUMAN because they couldn't have BABIES.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: or something?

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Yes, genetically engineered to be military dudes.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: But then they scared people.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: And also couldn't have babies.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: oh, fuck me.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: The first episode of season two?
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Features the GELF colony all "we can show them we are human now!"
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: When the imprisoned woman who was implicitly raped by one of the prison guards has a baby.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Now they have a FUTURE
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: and must ESCAPE.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: For the BABY.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: I am vomiting in my mouth a little right now

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: You're welcome.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: just thought I'd share

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: "they made us to fight."
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: "but now we can be fathers and mothers!"
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: "let us lead our children into the future without fear!"

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: STOP IT
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: IT HURTS ME IN MY SOUL

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: I cannot page enough Lee Edelman here.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: I mean, I basically need a Lee Edelman B-movie at this point, you know?
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Like, Revenge of the Fifty-Foot Lee Edelman.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: hahahaha
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: that is AWESOME
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: and oh, so necessary.

-- Digression in which we discuss Oscar Wilde, Judith Butler, and classwork. Or possibly the Seaquest was a digression from that in the first place.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Man. Also the DeLuise kid who plays the guy with gills? He is tiny. Younger than I am now I bet.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: I liked him! he was my favourite.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: [livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings!
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: He is a DeLuise!
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: You can't admit that now!

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: I KNOW TELL NO ONE [Note: she made me put this back in. She said she thought it was funny: "I am totally the kind of girl to sacrifice my dignity for a cheap laugh."]

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: That's like saying you have sex with sheep. Only worse.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: he wasn't my favourite in a sexy way!
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: I just liked him cuz he was disenfranchised.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Totally. Disenfranchised and experimented on.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: actually, wasn't he an ex-prisoner who had been a medical experiment done by the govt?
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: right.
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: someone needs to write a Seaquest-was-fucking-creepy fic.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: "when I was in the can, they asked for volunteers, I raised my hand, that's how I got out early."

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: fucking CREEPY

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Yeah.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: this show = problematic in many, many ways.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: there is so much genetic engineering going on on that show.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: For example, they have a telepath? But apparently she's allowed to tell people what she over...paths.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: She's always going "oh, imagining me naked, Lucas? oh, to be fifteen again!" in public.

-- Digression into Starsky and Hutch, the telepath on Seaquest as a Troi character, and other things as well.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: "there's no way to attempt reconciliation or understanding with something that came out of a test tube" says one of the generals.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: wow, sounds like something Rodney McKay said the other day.
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: she's a collection of ones and zeros, she doesn't have consciousness!

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Yep.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: it's not weird in any way that we've manufactured a sentient robot in order to cause sentient robot genocide!

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: That is from Seaquest, if that wasn't obvious.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: yeah, I got that.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Not weird at all!
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Completely normal! says Rodney.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: that is totally where the Deluises learned their scifi politics.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: YES. It explains so much

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: seriously. it does.

*** Later:

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Also, btw, can I just tell you something more about seaquest and paging Lee Edelman?

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: TOTALLY

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Because, okay, I had forgotten this.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: But! The GELF dudes go off to hold the UEO leaders hostage, because now they have a FUTURE and must protect their BABIES and should be FREE.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: (I keep wanting to say, pity the gelf!)

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Only then they don't believe anybody because everybody's like "um... yeah... we'll totally do that."

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: of course they become terrorists. then the UEO have no CHOICE but violence.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: So then they go and decide to destroy lots of oxygen plants because they need less oxygen than normal humans so destroying the oxygen plants will leave a world for only GELF.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: The Paging Doctor Edelman part?

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: yes?

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Is the part where, honest to god, the stupid telepathic doctor discovers that their BABY
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: who makes them HUMAN
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: needs as much oxygen as normal humans! Because of "spontaneous evolution!"

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: SHIIIIIIIIT

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: So DAGWOOD carries the baby to them (for complicated reasons, the baby is on Seaquest, whatever) and is all "this baby breathes air like a human! you must stop being terrorists and fighting for your own political gain because it will kill your future!"

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: that is, just, jaw-droppingly AWFUL.
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: and AWESOME.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: I KNOW
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: I MEAN
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: SPONTANEOUS EVOLUTION.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: how is the Edelman always so LITERAL?

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: So that the baby is what makes them human and turns them into productive citizens.
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: (Because then they turn themselves in, see. To save the baaaaaby.)

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: who acquiesce to the rule of law.
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: dude
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: I mean, dude.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: EXACTLY! Bridger negotiates their "freedom" only on the grounds that they now follow the laws of the state!
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: SERIOUSLY.

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: that is insane.
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: you need to stop watching seaquest, buddy
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: it is going to make you sad

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: The baaaaaaaby brings them into the category human, drives them to their terrorism, but then ultimately rescues them from the terrorism and returns them to the rule of law by reminding them of future humanity.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: Shut up. *frowny face*

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: hey, I mean, do what you like, but I worry about you.

[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: There is an episode where Mark Hamill plays a blind alien, [livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings!
[livejournal.com profile] eruthros: How can that be wrong?

[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: HAHAHA
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: I DON'T KNOW
[livejournal.com profile] thingswithwings: YOUR ARGUMENT IS CONVINCING.

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