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[eruthros]

One of the things thingswithwings and I are trying to do with the kink_bingo wiki is to expand the fandoms, and more importantly the types of fandoms, that we depict in the images that accompany the text. The examples I come up with are almost always from my fannish history -- I can think of a Buffy example for anything -- and TVtropes is not always descriptive enough to be helpful.

So, in the interests of expanding the fandoms, I have some questions for you guys! I'd love to hear about examples from comics or live action tv or anime or movies or things you know I've seen or things you know I haven't seen. (Episode or issue names/numbers/plot summaries/some other way to find things would be helpful but isn't necessary.)

1. Animal-people! People who turn into animals, people who have animalistic features, people who wear animal outfits, people who act like animals a la Wolverine.

2. Bondage! Bondage is so easy to do that I always go "oh, whatever, any scene I've seen on tv," but really I ought to expand the fandoms. We'd love all kinds of bondage: straightjackets, handcuffs, chained up, complicated rope bondage, hogtied, tied to chairs, tied to someone else, anything.

3. Mind control! Or hypnosis or amnesia or anything similar.

4. Sensation play type stuff -- people brushed with needles or fur or enjoying their silk shirts or whatever. Or blindfolds! Blindfolds are good.

5. Anything that your fandom is really good at! Like, Star Trek TOS is hugely into mind control, and Veronica Mars is all over voyeurism, but I'd never have known that without watching those shows, so what am I missing from your favorite show?

Comments

[aris_tgd]

I was going to say "Well, bondage is all over Babylon 5" but then realize of course you would know that already. ;)

In Classic Who there are a number of people-turning-into-animals moments. The big one that's on my mind right now is when Peri gets turned into a bird in Vengeance on Varos, but there are more, I'm sure. Oh, there's a werewolf girl who's flirting with Ace in The Greatest Show in the Galaxy.

Ultraviolet (TV) has vampires with canonical mind-control biting. ("It makes you very susceptible to suggestion" is the line.) They mostly use it to make people forget they've been bitten at all, but YOU NEVER KNOW. Also, do you know how much canonical voyeurism there is in MI-5 in just the first two seasons? SERIOUS AMOUNTS. It's kinda awesome, in a Big Brother is Watching You Masturbate kind of way.

[eruthros]

Ha, but that's the problem, I can never remember the bondage scenes except when someone remdinds me! Hmm, there's Sinclair and his weird triangle suspension, there's Delenn handcuffed to the frame thingy, and... probably other stuff as well.

Big Brother is Watching You Masturbate? Srsly? That's a lot of voyeurism!

[isagel]

For #1, the first thing that springs to mind for me right now is Sanctuary, which has both Bigfoot, who is a person with fur, and Henry, who is a werewolf (also, those two are so in love, OMG). That show also has Tesla, who is the best embodiment of the electricity kink since Elle on Heroes.

ETA: Also, I keep wanting someone to write me Henry piercing fic. I think this is mostly a case of the PTB being too lazy to care whether the actor left his piercings in or took them out, but shirtless Henry scenes always jolt me with the realization that it's really rare to see male characters on tv with multiple body piercings unless the PTB specifically want to signal the character being weird/dark.

I should be able to come up with a lot more examples for a lot more things. *ponders*

[chagrined]

Oh wow, comics are ALL OVER #1. Uhhhh. Beast Boy (DCU) turns into animals. Animal Man (DCU) takes on the abilities of animals. Gorilla Grodd (DCU) ~is~ an animal. So is Monsieur Mallah (DCU). Actually apparently there are tons of gorillas in comics, heh. And actually actually, here is a list of animal superheroes. Which isn't counting the ones who just dress like animals. Cheetah (DCU) came to mind at first, but then I remembered that something happened to her character and she is actually now part-cheetah or something. Uhhh, Hawk and Dove (DCU). Also Hawkman and Hawkgirl (DCU) (though their wings are real and they're aliens). There are no doubt scads and scads more. And as you can tell from these, I have a lot more exposure to DCU than Marvel. Though right off the top of my head, Marvel also has Spider-Man and Black Cat and Black Panther.

More: Batman, Batwoman, Batgirl, Robin, Beast, Phoenix, Catwoman, Penguin, Wildcat... Then I got sick of looking/thinking, haha.

[wrabbit]

This is all I can think atm in the Sandman comics.

1. Dream turns feline around Bast. Bast has feline features with a female human body; she's rather sexualized and really into Dream. Matthew is a raven who used to be human and Lucien was a former one of Dream's ravens, but he's not anymore. In the first volume with Dee, there's a scene where he brainwashes a group of people into thinking that they are wild animals and he has two of them fight to the death. There are a lot of animals who act like people if that counts at all.

2. In the first issue Dream spends a human lifetime in a glass orb and later he puts Azazel in a jar and keeps him in his trunk, but I don't know if that counts :D I think the twins Agony and Ecstasy capture at least one demon in their barbed wire rope and they appear in the Hellblazer comics as well.

3. Dream. Seriously. He controls your dreams. Delirium makes people go mad. Desire makes them, well, desire each other. There is also an issue that takes place over twenty four hours where a human Dee steals some of Dream's power and forces a diner full of people to do horrible things.

I can look up issue numbers later if you want the specifics.

[aris_tgd]

Well, Delenn handcuffed to the frame, also Sheridan handcuffed to the frame, and Garibaldi saran-wrapped to the bed, and ANYTHING with the Shadow ships--the telepaths in the boxes, Caroline from Ship of Tears up in the thing she made from Medlab bits... Sheridan being tortured in late Season 4, PAIN GIVERS, G'Kar in the frame thing on Centauri Prime, the Great Machine, Garibaldi being blindfolded to meet Edgars... Sheridan saran-wrapped to that OTHER table in the one where he gets kidnapped by aliens and made to fight Ta'Lon... Byron wanders around handcuffed a LOT for some reason... Lyta in her bacta tank... Sinclair in the VR machine in that one episode...

Babylon 5 is a seriously kinky show. It's awesome.

And maybe not masturbation, but there are so far several instances of them either watching or listening to people having sex. As plot points.

[sabinetzin]

3. Oh, oh! Gunsmith Cats (the manga) is all ate up with the mind control. Mind control drugs drive most of the plot of the original series, actually.

5. Ahaha, and speaking of Gunsmith Cats, there's a hilarious scene in Burst (the newer series) that could easily be taken for watersports kink; our intrepid anti-heroes are in the desert, and Bean is sort of tripping from the heat, and he tries to talk Rally into, well, giving him something to drink, as it were. He then sort of passes out, and he's just laying on the floor muttering "Piss" over and over.

[eruthros]

... ha, oh MAN, I'd totally forgotten most of those. The hilarious bondage in the one where Sheridan is kidnapped by aliens!


Also, that is impressive! I love a show where voyeurism is a plot point.

[eruthros]

Your ETA makes me extra happy, because I also couldn't think of any male heroic characters with body piercings! That's awesome.

Aaaand also, although I love the werewolf idea, I am particularly taken by a character named Tesla, awww.

[eruthros]

Oh, COMICS. Hawkman and Hawkgirl ttly count, because they have animalistic characteristics according to us -- we told SEVERAL people that wingfic was okay for animal play.

[eruthros]

I actually haven't read Sandman -- bad fangirl, no cookie -- but IIRC thingswithwings is a fan and owns it, so we can probably track things down! Putting people in jars sounds like a great visual :)

It sounds like Sandman is all over mind control, too! Very cool.

[eruthros]

... this is totally why I'm glad I asked these questions, because I'd never even heard of Gunsmith Cats, but this sounds awesome.

[isagel]

I think the piercings only ever show in passing, which is kinda why I like them - as kink that is not made a big deal of. If you like I can find the specific scenes for you?

Tesla is supposed to be the historical Nicola Tesla, although clearly the show's history is very alternative. He's played by the guy who was Dr. Parish on SGA, who, it turns out, is surprisingly awesome. I have a weakness for Tesla and his megalomaniac genius, and already wrote the inevitable electricity porn for the latest Porn Battle.

Why, yes, I'm far too invested in this incredibly bad show.

[chagrined]

Plus though the wings are typical for their species, they also wear those hawk masks as part of their costumes!

[giandujakiss]

If you don't use Legend of the Seeker for BDSM, leather anything, you will be guilty of serious fandom misconduct.

I don't know if it counts for mind control but in Lois and Clark there's an episode called Pheremone My Lovely where someone invents what is essentially a sex pollen perfume, and everyone goes wild.

Oh, oh - animals - how about the entire run of Beauty & the Beast (remember? from the 80s?) I link.

[sasha_feather]

Has anyone mentioned The Middleman?

The Middleman, episode 4, woman in Yellow Bear suit. The trailer and a dance scene can be seen on YouTube.

[sophinisba]

1. -In Merlin 2x09 Merlin falls in love with Freya, a woman who at night secretly turns into a giant catlike monster with wings and kills people.

-The Princess and the Frog!

3. -In Merlin 2x05 and 2x06 an evil troll woman gives Uther an enchanted necklace that causes him to fall in love with her and do whatever she says (including disinheriting Arthur and other decisions that are very bad for the kingdom).

-In Lost 5x10 these guys from the Dharma Initiative strap Sayid to a tree and force him to swallow truth serum, and then when they interrogate him he's all loose and smiling (and hot).

[blushingflower]

Well, Dollhouse is basically all about mind control. I know a lot of people find the consent issues really squicky, but the chair they use to wipe minds would work.

Twilight has what cleolinda termed "fursplosion" when the werewolves turn from human into animal. (cf. the flying leap transformation that takes place starting circa 0:47 of this video. I suggest watching it on mute)

Also, you should use Beast from the X Men for something, possibly furries or something, because he's wonderful and covered in blue fur.

I feel like there's some non-genre show I like where there's a bit about touching someone's clothing b/c it's so soft or something, but I can't remember precisely what it is at the moment. I will get back to you if it comes to me. Otherwise, I think our fandoms line up enough that I don't know of anything I expect you don't already know about.

Random fandoms

[chagrined]

-The Dragon Ball manga was immensely into scatalogical humor.
-Ranma 1/2: sex/gender play, animal transformation, ...engagement kink? Haha.
-Sailor Moon manga had a lot of mind control iirc
-Gravitation had some really excellent worship in the Tatsuha/Ryuuichi
-Er, Yami no Matsuei the anime is very much about non-con, bondage, bloodplay, and the like. Good clip where Muraki ties Tsuzuki up and licks blood off his finger. ...And other stuff.

-Beast and his girlfriend Abigail Brand from X-Men have a kinky relationship. I don't remember if specifics are discussed and don't have my issue with me, but anyway, it's implied. Oh here, I found a quote:
Beast: I guess I'll start. I'm fairly certain I hate you.
Abigail Brand: Well, that's kind of the point. I need someone to hate me. Professionally. I'm good at -- well, I'm uniquely qualified for -- my job. But I made some crap calls this time around, and we both lost men we shouldn't have. You're smarter than any dozen guys and you'll question my every waking gesture. On the job, there's nothing I could use more.
Beast: And off the job?
Abigail Brand: Pretty much wanna break you like a pony. It's a win-win.

-There's this great scene near the end of Hannibal where Clarice identifies a potential breastfeeding fixation in Hannibal, then puts milk on her breast and offers it to him, and he suckles it.
-There's the ABBA turd in The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert
-Dexter had role-playing that time when Rita dressed up as Lara Croft. Also Deb and Lundy had spanking kink, and a bit of a daddy kink.
-Kyle XY would be good for sensory play, given Kyle's heightened senses.
-Animorphs had lots of animal transformation, plus Tobias was default stuck as a hawk the whole time he and Rachel dated (though he could morph temporarily into a human).
-The Abhorson series had some interesting stuff with bondage, with the various evil whatevers who were bound with rings and stuff, like Moggat. And that is also mind control. Actually the whole theme of the series is bondage, basically, with binding the spirits or w/e. Combining bondage & sensory play in interesting ways. Also necrophilia.
-Dark Angel had combination animal play / aphrodisiacs with how Max & her siblings would go into heat due to their cat DNA. Also more potential animal play with many of the other characters. Max and what's-his-face also had sensory deprivation / can't-touch-syndrome due to that stupid plot device virus.
-Finding Nemo: Dory & memory-play
-Civilization IV would be excellent at master-slave. Oh, vassals.
-The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening: amnesia
-Creatures computer games: Well, I used to spank those Norns SO MUCH, haha
-Leisure Suit Larry (the first one being the only one I've played): bondage, sex toys, aphrodisiacs, dirty talk, public humiliation
-The Jeff Corwin Experience: Well, there was that one episode where the baby elephant groped him and he responded, "No, I said I'd give you peanuts!"
-Band of Brothers has that time Winters throws pee in Nixon's face in their shared living quarters.
-FOX IN SOCKS: animal play, potential clothing fetishes, bondage, obedience, potentially voyeurism, chewing fixation, licking fixation, property destruction kink, smacking/hitting, ...lol I just thought watersports but not really (it's a sport, played in water; well actually I guess the substance is never specified as water, so it COULD be watersports), food kink, role reversal, sensory deprivation, AND OF COURSE THE DOMINANT KINK OF THE WHOLE BOOK, FOR THE READER AS WELL AS KNOX: verbal humiliation

[pocketmouse]

Obviously, White Collar needs to be added to the bondage section, among others. Mmm....

Uh, Whose Line had a skit (youtubeable) where Ryan was a boa constrictor and Colin was turned on by danger. It's, um, special. Like most Whose Line.

I'll have to see if I can think of more.

[monanotlisa]

I told sandynotlisa about White Collar and its easy, oh-so-easy kinky reading. :) I mean, both that show and SGA really lend themselves to it but are already on your list.

The Vampire Diaries are into mind-control too, and surprisingly little into blood-play, for example. Err, Spartacus - not my show! - is also mucho with the bondage, and probably everything else that's not fictional.

[marina]

I just made a post about it today but Spartacus: Blood and Sand is a show where, to quote devilc the writers seem to print out kink_bingo cards each week and see how many squares they can score.

A partial list of kinks so far graphically exhibited on this show: watersports, dubious consent, voyeurism, exhibitionism, dirty/sweaty sex, public humiliation, genital torture, bondage (lots and lots of it), branding, HUGE, HUGE, HUGE amounts of dominance/submission (like, there are at least 4 scenes in 5 episodes of this show that I can think of where the gladiators are forced to perform sexually for the physical or voyeuristic pleasure of their owners, and that's not to mention other slaves).

[eruthros]

... I just went and took a look at that clip on youtube and, just, oh, Whose Line! That was a great show. (I was also thinking about the party quirks skit that happened soon after Wayne had admitted his ticklishness -- the one where Colin plays a Batman villain called the Tickler.)

[eruthros]

I don't want to be guilty of fandom misconduct! I think that's at least a misdemeanor. Is there anything in particular that makes it a great fandom for leather? Do they just wear a lot of it? I haven't seen any of it at all, and I've missed fannish osmosis for it!

I think sex pollen probably goes under aphrodisiacs, though there's some overlap, but I'll check out that episode of Lois & Clark! Oooh, though, now that you say Lois & Clark I vaguely recall an episode where Superman is hypnotized or brainwashed or something into being a bad guy? Possibly?

[giandujakiss]

The entire premise of LOTS is that people get brainwashed to be slaves to certain women and bow to their every whim. Meanwhile, there's a group of leather clad dominatrix's who "train" men in their dungeons to be obedient and to become unable to separate pain from pleasure. I AM NOT FUCKING KIDDING. IT IS ALMOST TOO MUCH FOR ME BECAUSE I AM DELICATE.

I don't recall Superman being brainwashed to evil - there were clone versions of him. In L&C, Red kryptonite just made him apathetic - on Smallville it does make him evil, though. Or reckless. Not sure.