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kink_bingo wiki is to expand the fandoms, and more importantly the types of fandoms, that we depict in the images that accompany the text. The examples I come up with are almost always from my fannish history -- I can think of a Buffy example for anything -- and TVtropes is not always descriptive enough to be helpful.
So, in the interests of expanding the fandoms, I have some questions for you guys! I'd love to hear about examples from comics or live action tv or anime or movies or things you know I've seen or things you know I haven't seen. (Episode or issue names/numbers/plot summaries/some other way to find things would be helpful but isn't necessary.)
1. Animal-people! People who turn into animals, people who have animalistic features, people who wear animal outfits, people who act like animals a la Wolverine.
2. Bondage! Bondage is so easy to do that I always go "oh, whatever, any scene I've seen on tv," but really I ought to expand the fandoms. We'd love all kinds of bondage: straightjackets, handcuffs, chained up, complicated rope bondage, hogtied, tied to chairs, tied to someone else, anything.
3. Mind control! Or hypnosis or amnesia or anything similar.
4. Sensation play type stuff -- people brushed with needles or fur or enjoying their silk shirts or whatever. Or blindfolds! Blindfolds are good.
5. Anything that your fandom is really good at! Like, Star Trek TOS is hugely into mind control, and Veronica Mars is all over voyeurism, but I'd never have known that without watching those shows, so what am I missing from your favorite show?
thingswithwings and I are trying to do with the kink_bingo wiki is to expand the fandoms, and more importantly the types of fandoms, that we depict in the images that accompany the text. The examples I come up with are almost always from my fannish history -- I can think of a Buffy example for anything -- and TVtropes is not always descriptive enough to be helpful.So, in the interests of expanding the fandoms, I have some questions for you guys! I'd love to hear about examples from comics or live action tv or anime or movies or things you know I've seen or things you know I haven't seen. (Episode or issue names/numbers/plot summaries/some other way to find things would be helpful but isn't necessary.)
1. Animal-people! People who turn into animals, people who have animalistic features, people who wear animal outfits, people who act like animals a la Wolverine.
2. Bondage! Bondage is so easy to do that I always go "oh, whatever, any scene I've seen on tv," but really I ought to expand the fandoms. We'd love all kinds of bondage: straightjackets, handcuffs, chained up, complicated rope bondage, hogtied, tied to chairs, tied to someone else, anything.
3. Mind control! Or hypnosis or amnesia or anything similar.
4. Sensation play type stuff -- people brushed with needles or fur or enjoying their silk shirts or whatever. Or blindfolds! Blindfolds are good.
5. Anything that your fandom is really good at! Like, Star Trek TOS is hugely into mind control, and Veronica Mars is all over voyeurism, but I'd never have known that without watching those shows, so what am I missing from your favorite show?
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Date: 2010-03-02 01:27 am (UTC)I've never personally seen Soul Eater, but a friend wanted to cosplay Patty and I figured I could do Liz well enough. I, of course, asked about the characters because I was curious what I was agreeing to. I don't quite understand how everything works, but apparently there are partners, both are people/humans but one of which can turn into a weapon ("weapon meister and human weapon"). This seems like it'd be an interesting universe for gunplay, particularly as those guns (what Patty and Liz both apparently turn into) are also people.
Tenth Kingdom with Wolf (and his tail) would certainly fit Animal-people. Particularly thinking about the tail petting scene (which I totally missed/didn't get the first time I watched it at age 10).
And as a random throwaway, basically every Gundam show would be fun for vehicular...Mech's are transportation, right? (Gurren Lagan and other non Gundam Mech might be good for this as well?)
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Date: 2010-03-12 04:11 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-03-06 08:30 am (UTC)I can see other people already mentioned Loveless and Revolutionary Girl Utena and Princess Tutu, so I'll just second those mentions.
Mai-HiME hits several of these right on the noggin:
If you want canonical animalistic behavior/animal emulation, you have one character (Mikoto) who is basically a feral child whose primary behavioral model outside of her family (more on that in a minute) are the stray cats she's befriended, leading to a lot of scenes where she does things that would be sane and normal coming from a cat and just plain distressing coming from a thirteen year old. (Lest you think that means she doesn't belong here: Mai-HiME, like Revolutionary Girl Utena and Loveless, is a firm believer in the philosophy that just because you're underage, doesn't mean you don't think about it.) And then you have Nao, who gets comparisons drawn between her behavior and Mikoto's a lot (although she's compared to Natsuki more often, to be fair) in canon, and usually mimics the way a cat licks their paws to clean themselves when she's had her attempt to ruin someone's life thwarted.
Nao is also the series' biggest provider of bondage, as her special powers - her "Element", as they call them in Mai-HiME - are a pair of claws capable of spinning out an endless amount of razor-thin wire, a skill which Nao puts to good use by tying multiple people up over the course of the series. She doesn't really get going until the second half of the series, when events force the HiME into conflict with each other and Nao's rivalry with Natsuki, another HiME, comes to the fore. Natsuki, as you might therefore have already guessed, is the one who gets tied up by Nao (on two separate occasions!) as a result. Natsuki isn't the only one who gets tied up like this, but most of the other ones are perverts and criminals that Nao deliberately draws out so she can humiliate them and steal their money.
There's also, in one of the DVD extras that come at the end of the episodes - I'd tell you which episode, if I could remember, I want to say it's episode 19? - where one of the male main characters gets a monologue and the images shown are of him bound by chains.
There's also sensation play, or at least, a situation that could be interpreted that way, in the very second episode, when Chie - the school's resident gossip-monger and girl who I think everyone watching the series wants to grow up to be because she's awesome as well as (a rarity in this series) totally well-adjusted and sane - runs her finger down the sides of Mai's chest and Mai ... overreacts, let's say.
Mai-HiME also has canonical voyeurism kink! And I quote: "No, you just like to watch." Said to the girl whose Element lets her spy on anyone invisibly, and who, it's implied, has been using it to keep an eye on the girl she loves to keep her safe!
Oh right. Mikoto's family, that I said I'd get back to in a minute! Well. Her brother can mind-whammy her into doing his bidding (not in that way ... okay yes in that way too, IT'S CREEPY) via a gem she wears on a loop around her neck that matches one he wears around his own neck.
... this is also a series that has a canonical tentacle monster that's also actually just an underwear thief. I am not even kidding. :|
My-Otome, the spiritual sequel to Mai-HiME, has what feels like a new featured kink about once every episode, sometimes more to make up for being relatively kink-free the previous episode. You could make a case that it's just there for titillation and I won't argue, but it's just as easily interpretable that the alternate universe fantasy civilization on display simply has different standards of propriety when it comes to how openly kinky everyone is. Because I'm not kidding: in both Mai-HiME and My-Otome, the kinky characters outweigh the vanilla ones by a factor of ten to one, but in My-Otome they're all more or less open about it.
There's plenty of bondage, mind control, and weird body stuff going on in Outlaw Star, too - and one of the main characters, Aisha Clan-Clan, is from a race of cat people who can transform into more animalistic versions of themselves.
Both PSYREN and One Piece have tons of examples of sensation play, hypnosis, and animalism (One Piece having waaaay more of this one than PSYREN, thus far - someone turns up with an animal costume or animal features at least once a chapter in One Piece, PSYREN's sole contribution remains one of the main characters, who wears an outfit with cat ears); PSYREN also does some really intensely interesting things with bodies - it's a story about psychic powers with a large debt to Katsuhiro Otomo's Akira, and many of the powers put on display have visible effects on the user's bodies, and this is in some cases relevant to the plot.
For that matter, Akira itself and anything inspired by it are solid gold as far as sensation play is concerned. Loooots of sensory deprivation, stimulation, heightening, arousal, and extension going on in there. Also some heavy-duty body manipulation. Do not watch if you have a sensitive stomach, I'm pretty sure seeing Akira gave David Cronenberg ideas.
Oh! Right. Xam'd: Lost Memories, being a loosely tokusatsu-inspired fantasy series that focuses its attention squarely on the transformed bodies of the ones inflicted with the titular power, has a lot of sensory play involved, as well as some situations that I think probably qualify as bondage, although YMMV as to whether the situation really qualifies; it definitely features sensory deprivation and amnesia in one remarkable case, where the main character pushes his abilities too far and spends the next six or so episodes in an amnesiac state with a mask locked over his face that prevents him from seeing clearly and from eating entirely. During that time he gets sold as an indentured servant, and spends some time chained to a wall while he's waiting to be bought.
I'm not sure I can recommend it, exactly, despite liking it - because I've never forgiven that it features a horrifyingly graphic rape scene in one of the early chapters, no matter how much the manga portrayed it as a sickening, vile act - but Oh!Great's Tenjho Tenge features canonical sense play, bondage, bodyswapping/mind control via eyeball and much much more. Of particular note about TenTen is that it's the only manga I can think of where someone is creative enough to torture someone else for information by making them get a blowjob from a mind-controlled mass of cockroaches. It also rivals CLAMP's eyeball fetish for number of times someone has lost an eye, only to have it replaced with an evil eyeball in return (at last count, I think we're up to three ... four? - characters who've had this happen to them on panel). There are also canonical cyborgs.
More specific moments from series that you might find handy but that I'm not necessarily a fan of:
The opening to Sayonara, Zetsubo Sensei! is pretty relevant, for ... well, just see for yourself. In less than a minute and a half it hits bondage, sensation play, and ... I haven't counted, but probably half a dozen more.
And it aired on public television!
A little less than halfway through episode 8 of Bakemonogatari there's a very definite reference to sensation play, when main character Araragi reaches out to touch Suruga's bewitched arm and Suruga pranks him by faking arousal at the touch - Suruga canonically knowing a great deal about kinkplay and being quite willing to use it to horrify people less knowledgeable (and/or open-minded, although that's a whole essay waiting to happen where Suruga's concerned) about it.
And then in episode 12, Araragi's girlfriend Senjougahara, despite their relationship remaining chaste, plays her hand across Araragi's thigh, knowing it will arouse him and enjoying that it does. (The entire episode is Senjougahara engaging in her own definition of foreplay, basically; she doesn't trust traditional sex, but she wants to be intimate anyway, so she finds a way to do it without putting the act itself into the equation.)
Don't try to watch all of that series, though, you're only asking to claw your eyes out in frustration at the way it almost comprehends the nature of kink and feminism and then totally fails completely. The series as a whole has some complicated, difficult, occasionally intriguing, frequently horrifying, often stupidly judgmental things to say about the nature of women's bodies, what they get used for, how they're viewed, and whether it's okay that they enjoy it. It's like it was written by someone who tried to mimic Warren Ellis without understanding Warren Ellis is friends with a lot of the communities whose kinks he includes in his stories.
Speaking of Warren Ellis, in the first issue of Fell, there's a conversation Richard Fell has with a secretary where the secretary mentions she could have been her ex's "dog", and discusses wearing a dog suit.
I am sure there are other things I could mention, but I am too tired to think of them right now. Maybe I will come back and mention more later! Who knows.
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Date: 2010-03-12 04:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-03-12 08:41 pm (UTC)I also have some more series I need to sit down and make another comment about right here. I'M NOT DONE YET.
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Date: 2010-03-20 12:54 am (UTC)I've watched the first episode now and find it intriguing -- I'll see how it goes from here :)